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Batwoman: It gets worse - Me.
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Batwoman: It gets worse
So... Three years after being introduced with much fanfare, Batwoman finally gets her own feature (and cover) in this week's Detective Comics. For the character who is supposedly DC's most prominent gay character, her profile has been extremely low. Heck, Obsidian gets more panel time. Not to mention Renee Montoya, who has assumed the identity of The Question, is a much better-established lesbian character. Then again, she gets the back-up feature in Detective, which they might as well name Lesbian Comics. It is Pride week, after all.

I'd be thrilled with all of this, except that after years of Batwoman making cameos and being Montoya's damsel in distress more often than anything else, what do we get when Batwoman takes center stage? Do we see the strong character hinted at from time to time? I mean, really, it takes some guts to assume the Batman's symbol, even when he's MIA.

No, we don't. Apparently Kate Kane is from a military family, and her father, whom she addresses as "sir", is supplying her and monitoring her during her superhero adventures. And to top it off, what is driving her? Her feelings as a victim from that time when the followers of the Crime Bible ran a sword through her near the end of "52".

I was hoping to see a strong, self-made woman. An analogue to Batman. I did not want to see some girl running missions for her dad and freaking out over having been a victim two years ago.

What a disappointment.

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scottyquick From: scottyquick Date: June 27th, 2009 05:26 am (UTC) (Link)

i respectfully disagree

No, we don't. Apparently Kate Kane is from a military family, and her father, whom she addresses as "sir", is supplying her and monitoring her during her superhero adventures

Yeah, because Bruce doesn't have Babs doing that from him.

And to top it off, what is driving her?

We don't find out! Although

Her feelings as a victim from that time when the followers of the Crime Bible ran a sword through her near the end of "52".

are terrifying her, because comic-time-wise, they happened what, a month ago? And now the newer, more powerful leader is back and wants to cut out her heart again?
rae_beta From: rae_beta Date: June 28th, 2009 01:36 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: i respectfully disagree

Yeah, because Bruce doesn't have Babs doing that from him.

Well, no, he doesn't--and regardless, she was originally his protegee, which creates a very different dynamic from father/daughter. There's also the sense in which it's a bit of a letdown to get "strong, rebellious lady" waved around in one's face and then learn that, oh, she's basically working at the behest a dude.
scottyquick From: scottyquick Date: June 28th, 2009 03:09 am (UTC) (Link)

also, ixat_totep i don't mean to come across as rude here and apologize if I am being rude

Well, no, he doesn't

I mean when he's alive, cheater :P!

That's hardly fair. We don't know why she's working. If her father knows what she's doing and can help, why shouldn't she take his help? If in 6 months when we know her origin it turns out she's all doing it for him, then I'll agree with you.
ixat_totep From: ixat_totep Date: June 28th, 2009 03:27 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: also, ixat_totep i don't mean to come across as rude here and apologize if I am being rude

rae_beta pretty much nailed it for me. And I don't think the fact that Bruce is currently dead and Babs is who knows where had anything to do with the comment. Even before they became more distant from each other, they had a very different realtionship in which Bruce pretty much ordered her around, or at least tried. That was one of the reasons she stopped talking to him for a while.

While you do have a point that we don't know the whole story here, the attitudes and ways of interacting point to a very different thing that is not at all what the buildup for this character was. He interrogates her, she acts generally subservient towards him even when she disagrees with him.

Also, at least one of the intervening Batwoman/Question appearances made it clear that it's been quite some time for Batwoman since she was stabbed.

Maybe this will all make sense and be better later, but it's not set up to go well as it is as far as I'm concerned.
ixat_totep From: ixat_totep Date: June 28th, 2009 10:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: also, ixat_totep i don't mean to come across as rude here and apologize if I am being rude

Oh and BTW I don't think you're rude and am interested in your alternate reading of the issue. I really do hope that we see an origin for her that improves this situation.

I also was really pinning a lot of hopes on this issue after what I feel is a horrible treatment of this character, nominally DC's "most prominent gay character". It took three years for her to even get an appearance as other than a supporting character, and this is it?

At least J.H.Williams' art is amazing. I'm sure someone will complain about the amped up sexuality in the interrogation scene, but I have to admit I'm OK with that part :-)

I also do appreciate the reference to Bette still being in continuity and somehow related to Kate (as the icon I've been using in this thread is of her pre-Crisis counterpart, Betty Kane). Poor Bette (Flamebird) never gets any respect, but that's been the story of her character the whole time.

scottyquick From: scottyquick Date: June 29th, 2009 02:35 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: also, ixat_totep i don't mean to come across as rude here and apologize if I am being rude

Oh yes, I complained like hell about that.

I'm sure someone will complain about the amped up sexuality in the interrogation scene, but I have to admit I'm OK with that part :-)

Pretty much the same! I found it oddly scary, though. I mean, imagine going into your home, turning the corner, and finding a woman with a mask covering her face, blood red lips and ivory skin who won't stop smiling at you.

I like Bette! It saddens me that no one has bothered to write her.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 28th, 2009 08:08 pm (UTC) (Link)

Batwoman: It gets worse

I understand the upset. I have some other issues with the whole Kate Kane situation myself.

However, just throwing this out there. to be devil's advocate, you know?
maybe Kate's just intimidated by her dad and finds it hard to break out of the child/parent context. I know I often still have that dynamic with my mom. One could argue Peter Parker is the same way with Aunt May and that's why he keeps her in the dark. because he doesn't have the backbone to tell her to let him make his own decisions. It's not how it's been justified in the comics, but who is to say that PP is honest with the audience? or himself for that matter? anything's possible.

sorry if length of comment is excessive.
From: marfisa Date: June 30th, 2009 04:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Based on the flashback sequence showing a somewhat younger-looking Kate tied up wearing civilian clothes, I got the impression that the near-fatal Religion of Crime incident wasn't the first time Kate had been kidnapped. If so, the fact that she'd recently gone through a near-repeat of a previous traumatic experience might explain why she was particularly freaked out/obsessed about it.

The thing that bothered me most about the military father was that one of the few things we'd been told about Kate previously was that she was an heiress. People from wealthy families tend not to have fathers who were career military (especially Marines, if Kate's USMC T-shirt is an indication of what branch of the service her dad was in). Especially if they weren't high-ranking officers, which there's no mention of Kate's father having been. There seemed to be such a discrepancy between Kate's previously-established "rich socialite" background (elliptically alluded to in this issue by the fed-up about-to-be-ex-girlfriend's comment that "I should never have gotten involved with someone so privileged") and the much more down to earth manner and attitude of the guy introduced as Kate's father that at first I was wondering if he was actually a stepfather from a less rarefied social stratum or something. Kate's pointed reference to his wife as being merely her stepmother seems to rule that out. But I'm still hoping for some explanation of why the dad of a supposedly socially prominent bigshot acts even less like a (stereo)typical rich person than the original version of Dr. Thomas Wayne. (Really, why would any millionaire take his family to the movies anywhere near a place nicknamed Crime Alley, much less attempt to return home on foot right through such a notoriously dangerous spot?)
From: jlbarnett Date: July 7th, 2009 02:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Crime Alley wasn't it's nickname at the time. It was supposed to be a neighborhood Thomas knew but was deteriorating.

I'm not sure about the military father thing. It doesn't really jibe to me but I can think of something. Perhaps they're from a money family but when WW2 came around her grandfather got drafted and found his calling in the military and encouraged his son to go it.
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